but bob, i disagree. we have to project diplomacy. diplomats are ones who step up to take these risks. and i applaud those who do it in order to project american values around the world. >> sure, you can do that, but you don't -- and you can also have security, sufficient security. >> i agree. >> and they did not in this case. >> i'm going to ask dr. brzezinski about chuck hagel and john kerry in one moment. but mark halperin, first, set it up for us, the politics in washington. what in the world is going on with this campaign to discredit chuck hagel, a republican? >> well, his supporters are rallying, a little bit belated. you look at the susan rice experience, you just can't, in this day and age, be out there as an unnominated person whose name is being speculated about if there are people opposed to you. and there's a coalition of partisan republicans and people who look at senator hagel's past statements on the middle east in particular, and they don't want him to be secretary of defense. and they've launched a campaign much earl